tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4149957315810348152.post5542028735374282574..comments2024-01-01T00:45:41.758+00:00Comments on Wishful thinking in medical education: The unwritten rules of stethoscope placement....and what you wear when.Anne Marie Cunninghamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05289974924032448531noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4149957315810348152.post-24743756378819954782015-04-22T12:07:29.970+01:002015-04-22T12:07:29.970+01:00I've had a similar discussion with my friends-...I've had a similar discussion with my friends-doctors recently. They all have different opinions about that. 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It seems that in the absence of white coats, which might have just about helped distinguish students from doctors, by virtue of fit, something is needed to get over the 'awkward limbo' that Ceri describes. There is a worry (particularly from those lower in the medical hierarchy) that medical students might be mistaken for doctors. Lanyards might fix this. A word clarifying role on uniform might fix this. The presence or absence of a stethoscope around the neck might fix this.<br />So is it a problem in psychiatry? Do medical students worry that they might be accused of passing themselves of as doctors? And if so which rules, informal or not, try to ensure this doesn't happen.amcunninghamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4149957315810348152.post-44131040303691703712014-10-09T00:40:27.735+01:002014-10-09T00:40:27.735+01:00Please forgive some special pleading from Psychiat...Please forgive some special pleading from Psychiatry. The old joke is that it is hard to tell the psychiatrists apart from their patients.<br /><br />Frankly, I think that that is worth preserving. People who are mentally ill are no different from those who treat them. It would be a shame if the whole oeuvre of the therapeutic community movement, and the existential psychiatrists - so much of which was so humanising to the hitherto dehumanised - were to be left behind.<br /><br />Our daft uniforms better not be used to galvanise thoughts that - anywhere in medicine - we are somehow very different from one another, or from those we treat. Naturally, there are important distinctions of skill and responsibility. These, of course, do not last for more than a few years before someone gets trained up!<br /><br />Sometimes I think the overt communication may be, "We do this for infection control", or "We do this for ease of identification in an emergency", while the covert communication is something else indeed.Alasdair Forrestnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4149957315810348152.post-22988325123569828112014-10-08T21:54:27.548+01:002014-10-08T21:54:27.548+01:00So what is the stethoscope saying then? It's n...So what is the stethoscope saying then? It's not about telling patients/relatives/other HCPs that the wearer is a doctor?amcunninghamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4149957315810348152.post-45531994776925870532014-10-08T20:58:43.493+01:002014-10-08T20:58:43.493+01:00Qualified doctors wearing stethoscopes around thei...Qualified doctors wearing stethoscopes around their necks is cultural and almost 'tribal' in the sense that multidisciplinary members of the team are asking 'where do I fit in then?' during our twitter conversation. Interesting :)<br /><br /><br />Btw - registrars & post PACEs SHOs wore stethoscopes around the neck, or in the back pocket, despite wearing their white coats. Whereas medical students and consultants had theirs neatly folded into the front coat pocket. This was at a time when ER had just come out and was super popular ;)louise beckhamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4149957315810348152.post-36672929135840690382014-10-08T19:21:44.030+01:002014-10-08T19:21:44.030+01:00I know we need to do more to reduce the sense of a...I know we need to do more to reduce the sense of an 'awkward limbo' that medical students can feel. It would be great to know more about the significance of the stethoscope to patients/visitors/other HCPs. Maybe since doctors stopped wearing white coats on wards the presence of a stethoscope has taken on greater meaning (to doctors if not to others)?amcunninghamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4149957315810348152.post-89136814528375263702014-10-08T19:14:57.056+01:002014-10-08T19:14:57.056+01:00Know? 100%? Probably not, but the stethoscope is a...Know? 100%? Probably not, but the stethoscope is a traditional signifier of somebody who is medically qualified (although often worn by nurses, phsyios, OTs and the like now, but they have defined uniforms). I think if a patient or visitor sees a stethoscope they're likely to assume "doctor" until something else persuades them otherwise. Medical students exist in an awkward limbo, which makes identification by sight hard.Ceri Haddonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4149957315810348152.post-83621328744951493602014-10-08T19:09:31.662+01:002014-10-08T19:09:31.662+01:00Thank ++ for your comment and sharing that this is...Thank ++ for your comment and sharing that this is being thought about by your school. So you think that visitors/patients/other staff members know that only doctors wear the stethoscope round their neck?amcunninghamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4149957315810348152.post-8288426734347758002014-10-08T19:03:17.558+01:002014-10-08T19:03:17.558+01:00This exact thing is being discussed at my medical ...This exact thing is being discussed at my medical school - how do you identify a student by sight? Yes, we are trained to introduce ourselves clearly, but there are times where this simply does not (or cannot) happen. For this, we're looking at name badges as opposed to ID cards worn on lanyards/belt clips - lanyards can get in the way during procedures and examinations, and ID cards in general have the failing of the text being too small and often located in an unfortunate place to be caught staring.<br /><br />As for the stethoscope, as a final year mine goes in my pocket or bag. Round the neck leads to patients (visitors, other staff members...the list goes on) making the logical jump in my status. In the hospital setting it isn't about 'showing off', but in the absence of any clear indicators, trying to indicate that I'm not a doctor (yet).Ceri Haddonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4149957315810348152.post-80052502499942040532014-10-08T19:02:33.217+01:002014-10-08T19:02:33.217+01:00So why don't pharmacists have uniform either? ...So why don't pharmacists have uniform either? Not even in Scotland?amcunninghamnoreply@blogger.com